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[quote="Ali"][quote]you wrote you thought Tuvok lacked spark. I mean - he's a Vulcan![/quote]

Just b/c Tuvok is Vulcan doesn't automaticaly give him spark. He's boring. Sarek (Spock's father) was Vulcan and he had 'spark'. btw - I meant personality-wise.  Tuvok was just  too dry for me. I mean, he had his moments - but overall I thought he was dull. Sorry.

[quote]
...  there's already one Kim too many on Voyager. [/quote]

LMAO!!

Well, again, it's been a while since I saw VOY but I honestly don't remember Janeway 'whining' about the rules.

As for Starfleet regulations [i]not[/i] applying. That's simply ridiculous. In my eyes Janeway did what was right. FOLLOW regulations with the crew - BEND them if nessecary to get home. Again - I don't remember her whining. Quoting, maybe - but not whining.

[quote]If Starfleet learns to bend some rules occasionally, Maquis probably can learn to obey the same. At that particular moment i thought voyager would be the best ST ever. I never understood why writers never pursued this further. [/quote]

Bar seasons 4 & 5 -the writing was under par on Voyager - especially if you compared it to DS9. They were rapidly approcahing burn out but all the creative forces  were too arrogant to see it. The Maquis angle was abandoned early on and never redressed, really. Then of course,  when the Borg and Species 8472 entered - who cared about the Maquis crew members?

OH!! And while I think of it - Naomi Wildman =zzzzzz I HATED her and her little kid.  :evil:  I swear, VOY had more characters that I couldn't stand than any other show I've ever watched!

[quote]
 yeah, i know but Carey had it coming.[/quote]

I know he had it coming. He was a total jerk. I don't have Klingon in me and I would've hit him  :wink:

[quote] Oh, please he was the main reason for admiral's time travel in the "endgame". I mean - i don't think admiral janeways's timeline was so bad it needed altering. I agree prime directive can be bent on some occasions but messing with the temporal one is insane! [/quote]

Don't get me started on Endgame. I subconciously wiped the entire episodes from my mind. As I was refreshing my memory, I just couldn't believe all I was reading. Janeway defeated the Borg [i]again [/i] - and aparently for good b/c it's the death of the Borg Queen. How sick of that was I?  I just think that it wasn't a good way to end the series (and yes - I have blocked it from my mind - which [i]amazes[/i] me. I remember how TNG  and DS9 ended! but then again, I wasn't praying for them to end the way I had been for VOY :wink:)

I didn't get the sense Janeway went back just for Chakotay. From what I read (and remember) she went back to get the crew home sooner - and thereby prevent Seven's death - which obviously impacted heavily on Chakotay - and to prevent Tuvok's disorder.  Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[quote]Seven indeed needed guidence, and imho - doctor proved to be the best posible guide ever. [/quote]

Yeah, the Doctor was great - but Seven still needed a woman's/mother  input - and that was Janeway.

[quote]... Icheb, and the borg kids,the One (27th century borg drone - killed himself), suicidal Q(eventually also killed himself), devoran inspector(betrayed them), some alien who had a crush on chakotay(her memory got deleted and she and left)... and these are just some of them....[/quote]

That's only 6 people in 7 years :P. Seriously it wasn't Janeway's fault. That's a writing choice. It's like blaming the entie BtVS cast for being stupid in Consequences. You [i]can'[/i]t do it. It's the [i]writing.[/i]

Voyager was so incrediably limited. They have to speed throught the galaxy to get home - how else do they meet people on the way? They're chased, they beam down to a planet to get supplies - they pick people up. *shrug*

Regarding 'losing Voyager' -  that was a miscomunication. I thought you meant lost=not knowing where they were. Not lost = she physically lost the ship to hostile takover.

[quote] different captain= different show. [/quote]

I'm honestly not so sure about that-  and it's interesting to think about. Obviously, Jadzia was a different personality to Kathryn, but both took their jobs and their postion in Starfleet seriously. I don't think Jadzia would do too much differently if she was in command of a starship full of people she was responsible for.

Jadzia was never a Captain. She wasn't even in command. She was a science officer.  I'm quite sure I don't have to tell you that Captains of Starships have little time to indulge in the fun stuff that Jadzia did - unless they were on leave - something obviously Janeway couldn't do for 7 years. If you took Jadzia and made her a Command Captain - that would automatically make her more like Janeway. She wouldn't be able to gossip the way Jadiza did, she couldn't be a wise-ass. Jadiza's personaility would undermine her command -so her public face would have to change.  Even Kirk curbed his own personality in front of his crew. The only reason we 'saw' so much of 'fun loving' Kirk was because many times he was only in the presence of Spock and McCoy - his two best friends.

Yeah - it's interesting to think about :)

[quote](btw: i know it doesn't really matter but shouldn't we move this discussion to a different thread or something?)[/quote]

If the boards were overun with people talking about Faith, maybe. But as it is - it's just thee and me talking Trek --so--I'll leave it here for now.

Oh- how'd your exam go? Well, I hope! :)

take care :)[/quote]

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