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[Ashes]

Now with Tru Calling being cancelled and out of the way, it seems that Faith spin off might really happen. Apparently (i read that on several web pages online) Joss is interested in doing it if Eliza is willing.

While reading pretty much all search results on this subject, i found out that the first concept of the spin off (before Eliza decided she'd rather do TC) was Faith riding the motorcycle across the country trying to find herself and fighting demons she runs across.

I don't know about you guys but this struck me as wrong as it gets. Don't throw rocks at me just yet, I'll explain why. The way I see things being constantly on the run and not dealing with some long term issues is what got Faith in trouble in the first place. Remember how she got to Sunnydale in the first place? She ran away from that ugly fat Vampire who killed her watcher not admiting to anyone what acctually happened and that she was acctually scared to death. And during the first part of the season she's always to busy keeping her guards up and being five by five to make any real friends. I think people are all in a way defined by the people they socialize with. i think it's kind of hard knowing who you are if you don't know who your friends are. She certainly didn't know and i figure her mind was like : if i'm not a part of the Scooby Gang i must be one of the bad guys. So she acted like one of the bad guys.

But I digress, what i've acctually been trying to say is that the last thing Faith now needs is a motorcycle. How can she possibly find herself if she's constantly on the run. In my opinion that's exactly why she turned herself in and went to jail. She decided it was high time to face consequences of her actions and that she's sick of running away .(that's only the way i see it, you're welcome to disagree..) . So to conclude (finally ) i think she needs a place to stay and someone to support her while trying to pick up the pieces. I reckon it'd be interesting if she went back to boston or something so we can find out more about her life pre-BtVs season 3. And all other things aside Jessica Alba has already done that motorcycle thing...

Hope this wasn't too long,too boring or too gramaticlly incorrect
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And the road
The old man paved
The broken seams along the way
The rusted signs, left just for me
He was guiding me, love, his own way
Now the man of the hour is taking his final bow
As the curtain comes down
I feel that this is just goodbye for now.

[Guest]

I get what you're saying, but I think Faith "found herself" while she was in prison. The motorcycle isn't running away, since she has nothing to run away from at this point. I mean she spent a good three years or so in jail, and came out a totally different person. I do think the motorcycle thing is tacky, especially since Wes did a similar thing for his introduction to Angel, though...

I think the logistics of something like that would be harder to work out; if she was on the move every episode, they couldn't film everything on sound stages, they'd have to spend tons of money getting footage from different places...it'd be a logistical nightmare, I think.

But I think she's already faced what she did, that sort of thing.

[Mike_Expo]

^ I wish I would remember to sign back in when I'm using this damn computer in OC...
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[Ali]

I still cringe at the thought of a Faith series. JW has lost the plot and 7th season Faith was not 100% real ( to me). That stuff about the guy with the bullwhip turns my stomach. The thought of 15/16 y.o. Faith doing that stuff is one thing -her admitting it with a smirk is a whole other thing...it's just tacky as hell and I loathed it.

I get that Faith is 'controlling' herself - but again - the non-wise cracking Faith was just not...'right'. I totally disagree with the smug BtVS writers who thought that did justice to Faith. I think they let her down - badly.

The motorbike thing - while probably correct by codes and conventions of the character - would be far, far too cliche. I don't think I'd like it at all. Also - I heard someone else say it was basically 'Renegade' a show I didn't watch b/c is was too stupid. I really don't want Faith doing that, either. And I get the feeling most people are like me and think it's been done to death, anyway. Although - again - I do think it'd be right for Faith to be touring around the country on a Harley :

If they can pull of something 'original'...then maybe I'ld love to see a Faith spin-off - but at this point - I honestly don't think they can - and I'd prefer to have no Faith series than a bad one - y'know? Faith (And Eliza - of course) deserve better.

[Ashes]

I always thought of Faiths going to jail as a point of sudden growing up. For the first time she was willing to face the consequences of her actions, like an adult. She went there to grow up, not to "find herself". I agree with Mike when he says that Faith has nothing to run away from at this point, but that's precisely the reason i don't want her on the move (motorcycle, bicycle,car or rollerskates - doesn't matter). Think about it: no matter how harsh it may sound she indeed is an ex con who never finished high school, she has no one to support her (finacially), no prospects for the future and no one (but Angel - and he can't always be there for her) to catch her when she's falling down. Isn't it high time for her to start building some of those things (she maybe should even consider finishing school *hides under the desk*) ? How can she posibly do that if she doesn't stick around anywhere long enough?

Apart from that though I never heard of that Renegades show you mentioned I strongly agree with you Ali that that motorbike thing has been done to death and is too cliche and tacky. I admit I might be slightly in over my head in this discussion because I never saw the last two season of BtvS nor last three of Angel.( I got that ex con who never finished high school from your articles on Faiths relationships (loved the articles) (btw: after reading all of them i'm convinced that Wood is Mr.Right for her). ) So given the fact i still don't know the rest of the story i might be wrong about well... just about everything i suppose. And from your hostile disposition towards season 7 i figured there's something teriblly wrong with what the writers did to Faith, i don't even want to think about what happened with that guy with a bullwhip, i just hope that the damage done isn't irreparable. I'm almost finding it hard to belive that a few episodes can do so much damage.Spin off might just set everything right, or ruin Faith completley (I'm keeping my fingers crossed that doesn't happen). Anyways I'm glad we all agree that the motorbike concept is a huge no.
_________________
And the road
The old man paved
The broken seams along the way
The rusted signs, left just for me
He was guiding me, love, his own way
Now the man of the hour is taking his final bow
As the curtain comes down
I feel that this is just goodbye for now.

[Mike_Expo]

[Ali]

Well - re: no HS education -that's another thing that bugged ....as I've always said - Faith isn't stupid. The fact that the writers thought Faith would bypass getting her GED in prison - even though she has "25 - Life " to pass the thing- seemed beyond stupid. What else was she going to do? Weights and chin-ups all day for the rest of her days? (again - cliche and tacky and I Ioathed it)

I say Faith goes back to Boston, finds a place she likes, digs in and starts to go for her GED - then kick if off from there. She can still tool around on a bike if she wants to (or rollerskates ) But I think to have her 'rootless' as was floated - is just wrong and we'd all be expecting it. One of the reasons we loved BtVS so much - was that it wasn't cliche. It'd be nice to have Faith settled into a routine and see just how much she's grown and how responsible she's become: Flat, motorbike and monthly payments...there's Faith's new llife...heck...throw in an actual friend or boyfriend...that'd throw us all for a happy loop! lol (not Wood though - he's way too serious for Faith and would end up making her feel bad about herself imho )

I say the pilot should deal with the 'sad' fact that all the SiTs are dying Oh dear...what will Faith do to save them? hehehe (hopefully- she can't - that'd also be nice and Faithy ). But yeah--show us just how much Faith has grown - but bring back the sassy chick who shot her mouth off....she was cute under all that bravado.

[Ashes]

[Ali]

Sorry - SiT = Slayers in Training.(7th season BtVS ) Possibly the worst executed idea in TV history. They were all as annoying as hell. There wasn't one I liked or warmed to. *ugh*

It sounds like a cool idea, doesn't it. LOADS of Slayers....it was just so...bad. *sigh*

Pity Mike didn't have young Faith on a trike...that could've been cute

[Mike_Expo]

[Ashes]

Sorry I was away for a couple of days I was busy panicing over a certain preliminary math exam I had today. Isn't it just so much fun when you realize you have no idea what Fourier analysis is and you have two and a half days to learn it? But i think i did ok today (considering everything i just wrote).

So back to our discussion.

[Ali]

[Ashes]

[Mike_Expo]

No, Riley never dies. He does eventually leave and only comes back a single time, though.
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[Ali]

What Mike says. Heh.

Like most people, I did not like Riley - but I don't really blame Marc Blucas for that. Riley was written as boring as hell and you can only play what you're given. As usual I blame Toxon. [aka Marti Noxon aka 'She Who Destroyed BtVS Totally and Completely' ) Yeah, I have issues

Most of my irritation in S7 went to the SiTs and Spike. I'm SO over the Spike thing and I totally loathed the fact he went to Angel. (Ali once again blames Toxon). Spike is a perfect example of a character done to death. There's zero mystery about him now. I'm just sick to death of him and I'd be elated to find out he died *crosses fingers* If I'd been David - I wouldve been super pissed he came onto Angel. Like ONE vampire with a soul wasn't good enough?

The way I feel about Spike is my main fear for a Faith show. Faith is my favorite character ever. She's so vulnerable, mysterious...not to mention wicked cool...but if she's explored to death the way Spike was....there's a danger she'd become boring and annoying too, y'know? That'd just kill me.

BTW...sorry if I've spoiled S7 for you. I keep asuming you know most of this stuff -even if you haven't 'seen' it yet. So...apologies if I have.

As to Buffy sharing her powers again... It's a tad more compliceted than S4 - but it boils down to the same thing. Slayer power abuse. At least Faith didn't do it

Oh..and congrats on doing better than expected with your math *cheers*