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Willow says in Potential that Dawn is made from Buffy’s blood, to which Anya replies, “Yeah, I never got that”. The Summer’s blood connection was previously mentioned in Blood Ties and The Gift. This is also an in-joke to the fact that this mythology was quite confusing and a bit too convenient. |
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| Added: | › 3rd July 2005 |
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July 29th, 2005 at 11:21 pm
Yeah, until the end of the season I thought it was something Buffy said to Dawn to make her feel better, but the events at the end meant ot had to be true. `
July 30th, 2005 at 5:17 am
Yea thats why i a new slayer wasn’t called when buffy died in “The Gift”. cause dawn was buffy in a way
July 30th, 2005 at 5:23 am
I don’t think dawn has anything to do with upsetting the slayer line. I think it was either, a. a mistake on the writer’s part, or b. intentional confusion on the character’s part.
July 31st, 2005 at 10:37 am
And what if the Key wasn’t human? How could there have been a blood link otherwise?
August 1st, 2005 at 7:58 am
I know. They should have made her into a pencil. no blood there.
August 1st, 2005 at 12:14 pm
yeh, but can you see Buffy protecting a pencil with her life…..lol.
But then again, the monks would not have had as much trouble hiding a pencil!
August 1st, 2005 at 3:04 pm
Given the immense amount of power that the key has, it would have to be something big and probably organic. This of course, doesn’t occur to Glory becauase she’s not all that bright. Otherwise, they could have forged her into a gold ring and dropped her into a volcano.
August 1st, 2005 at 3:22 pm
Maybe for someone reason the key couldn’t be destroyed (or else something bad would happen) so they knew if they turned it into a human life (rather then a ring or pencil), Buffy would protect it more.
August 2nd, 2005 at 7:43 am
Maybe they should have put the key in Willow? that way she would be protected by Buffy and also she is a powerful wicca. The monks really liked to make themselves work for it don’t they?
August 2nd, 2005 at 7:47 am
Actually, the whole key idea being bled at a specific point (on a diving board 100ft up) and at a specific time (around about the 22nd episode of the season, in May) seemed a bit stupid because if Glory needed the toilet then she would have missed the time she had. But, thats Joss’ elaborate way of bringing the show back the beginning. Clever fellow…
August 2nd, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Glory doesn’t go to the bathroom. She’s a goddess.
Even if she did, I’m sure she could have made herself hold it, until she got back to the hell dimension.
August 2nd, 2005 at 4:57 pm
Never thought I would comment on someone going to the bathroom, but here I go: Glory probably used the bathroom because she was stuck in the body of a mortal who used the bathroom. Anyway though, she would have probably held it until she was back in her Hell dimension and then not have to go because then she would have been a full fledged God.
August 2nd, 2005 at 6:23 pm
Apologies, I never intended this site to bring people down to toilet discussions!
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:45 am
Maybe Ben went to the toilet for both of them.
August 3rd, 2005 at 7:47 am
Haha. Maybe you should make a “Who uses the Toilet?” page.
September 5th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
There’s some evidence (details forgotten) that the monks could have destroyed the Key but chose not to waste something potentially useful.
September 6th, 2005 at 2:38 pm
I think you’re referring to something Gregor (”General Forehead guy”) said to Buffy and Dawn in ‘Spiral’.
Buffy: “Why didn’t they just destroy it? If the key is as dangerous as…”
Gregor: “Because they were fools. They thought they could harness its power for the forces of light. They failed, and paid with their blood.”
So, basically, that means the Key could have been destroyed, but if the monks had did that season 5 never would have happened, and ‘Buffy’ pretty much would have ended after 4 seasons. I prefer the season as it actually went.
September 8th, 2005 at 10:03 am
Where do we find out that the key has to be bled. Because if it is written that it has to be bled then its very obviouse that it would have to be made into somthing that can bleed. And also (maybe) it was somthing that could bleed in the first place.
September 8th, 2005 at 10:09 am
Glory says that dawns blood is the key. and then Giles says that all the energy will pour into a specific place at a specific time.
September 8th, 2005 at 10:22 am
Thanks.
September 8th, 2005 at 3:13 pm
Giles said in ‘Weight Of The World’: “Glory plans to open a dimensional portal by way of a ritual bloodletting.”
I took that to mean that there are several ways to open a portal, but since the Key was human it had to be blood. If the Key was something else another ritual would have had to be used.
November 16th, 2005 at 1:34 am
Blood is the key (no pun intended) to so many hellish things in Buffy. The unleashing of the stone monster (name forgotten) of season two, the bleeding of the Key, the opening of the portal to hell in the seventh season, and the execution of so many big spells (resurrection of Buffy, for example). I understand that there is a lot of mythology about blood and its powers and whatnot, the whole “essence of the person” idea, but really, by the seventh season I was getting tired of the whole blood thing.
November 16th, 2005 at 1:46 am
Acathla, Glory, the Seal of Danthalzar, all these are versions of the same trick: opening a Hellmouth. Even the resurrection is a kind of reaching through the walls of the worlds. So it’s not so silly that the same humour (blood) is important in all of these examples.
November 16th, 2005 at 2:07 am
Ok, a couple of small comments:
Margybee, the Demon in season two requiring Angel’s blood to be activated is Acathla (see demon database)
Also, Spike explains why it’s Dawn’s blood that’s the key in this conversation from “The Gift”, season 7:
XANDER: “Why blood? Why Dawn’s blood? I mean, why couldn’t it be like a, a lymph ritual?”
SPIKE: “‘Cause it’s always got to be blood.”
XANDER: “We’re not actually discussing dinner right now.”
SPIKE: “Blood is life, lackbrain. Why do you think we eat it? It’s what keeps you going. Makes you warm. Makes you hard. Makes you other than dead. Course it’s her blood.”
I think that’s an excellent answer to why blood is so important in so many aspects of the Buffy lore - it’s about vampires and life and blood.
Finally, just before the above conversation, Giles explains why the key needed to be a living energy and why it’s blood, because it can be poured and is the energy of life:
GILES: “The key was … living energy. It needed to be channeled, poured into a specific place at a specific time. The energy … would flow into that spot, the walls between the dimensions break down. It stops, the energy’s used up, the walls come back up. Glory uses that time to get back into her own dimension, not caring that all manner of hell will be unleashed on earth in the meantime.”
The monks made the key from Buffy in the form of a sister so she would protect it at all costs.
And finally, the precise timing of the ritual to open the dimensional portal seems to fall in line quite well with how organically and cosmically everything is connected in Buffy mythology (planets, moon cycles (Oz), Willow’s power coming from the earth, etc…)
November 16th, 2005 at 2:19 am
Yeah, that’s true. I guess I didn’t think of it that way. Anton: I didn’t think it was “silly” exactly, just tiresome. And I still stand by that, because to me it is a bit tiresome, although it does make quite a bit more sense now — why it always has to be blood.
November 17th, 2005 at 7:46 pm
“Acathla, Glory, the Seal of Danthalzar, all these are versions of the same trick: opening a Hellmouth”
I think hellmouths are a specific form of entryways, different from the kind of portal Glory was opening which could only be opened at a specific time and with a specific instrument. Still, it makes sense that blood is related to all of these.
November 25th, 2005 at 10:57 am
I agree they were trying to open a hell dimension not a hell mouth.
I cant think of a hell dimension that wasnt opened with blood can anyone else?
November 25th, 2005 at 4:40 pm
You don’t need blood to get to arashmahar. And I don’t think the Mok’tagar demon used blood to open his portal.
November 25th, 2005 at 6:34 pm
Does Pylea count?
(To save others the chore of looking it up: Arashmahar is DHoffryn’s home, and the Mok’tagar appeared in “Living Conditions”.)
November 25th, 2005 at 7:50 pm
well, Lorne thinks Pylea is Hell, but ony because he hates it but blood definately wasn’t used to open the portal, just a book where the words had to be said at a certain place (hotspot).
I think the to get to Arashmahar, you dont need blodd because in Something Blue, Anya just kneeled on the ground and in Selfless, Willow used a Talisman and some sand.
Mok’tagar just sort of waved his hand and the portal opened.
November 25th, 2005 at 8:24 pm
I used to Summer in Arashmahar…Delta and British Air fly there…but you have to connect in Cleveland.
December 22nd, 2005 at 7:47 pm
There are tons of portals to hell dimensions that don’t require blood.
In Angel:
Shells, Illyria opens a portal to get to her own hell dimesion but when she gets there everything is dead.
Lullaby, Sahjhan opens one to Quartath where he sends Angels son Conner.
That Vision Thing, There is a prison hell dimension where Angel first meets Skip.
Belonging, Over the Rainbow, To get to Pylea you read form a book.
Also (I would’t call these hell dimensions but)when Angel goes to see the oracles in the early eps. of season one, and The White Room at Wolfram & Hart.
In Buffy:
Anne, Buffy and Lily get push through some portal that looks like a pool.
As previously stated there is Arashmahar and the portal that Mok’tagar opens.
December 22nd, 2005 at 7:58 pm
Wow, thats very impressive.
December 23rd, 2005 at 12:09 am
Another good example of a portal not needing blood to be opened is season 7, “Get It Done”, the shadow casters open the portal to the first watchers and the Willow re-opens the portal, with Spike tossing in the dead demon to get Buffy back, but no blood required. Still, blood as a ritual, price and living energy is very central to many of the Buffy themes.
August 11th, 2006 at 7:37 am
But thy all just take you there. Glory’s hell world came to Earth so maybe if there was a portal to that one… yeah the pouring into earth so it requires a ritual.