When originally shown, the Buffy episode Pangs was immediately followed by an episode of Angel called ‘I Will Remember You‘, where Buffy shows up in LA, angry at Angel for not telling her he’d come back to town. In Something Blue, Buffy mentions having seen Angel in L.A. for five minutes (seen in ‘I Will Remember You‘) though fans will remember that she actually saw him for much longer. Angel became human again, and he and Buffy became a couple, realising they had everything they wanted. When Angel realised the consequences (he wouldn’t be able to brood as much) he asked the Powers That Be to make him a vampire again. They reversed time so that only Angel would remember the events of that day.
May 4th, 2005 at 9:22 pm
The consquence was that Buffy would die sooner
May 10th, 2005 at 8:39 pm
Methinks it was a joke Mr/Mrs Balove.
Angel couldnt protect Buffy or anybody else against the solgiers of darkness, so he gave up his happiness. Then was so upset he forgot to brood :D
What were the soldiers of darkness anyway? Was it those evil things that made Doyle die?
July 18th, 2005 at 11:13 pm
that episode was just to sad poor angel
bad bad buffy
July 19th, 2005 at 1:46 am
That episode was so sad, me and my friend both cried in it:-(
July 19th, 2005 at 3:36 am
There are only 3 episodes of Buffy/Angel that me cry everytime I watch them and that one is one of them (In case you care, the other two are Passion and Becoming pt. 2)!
July 21st, 2005 at 12:36 pm
What i don’t get about the I remember you episode is that Angel basically gets the oracles to turn back time because he cannot fight alongside Buffy.
Yet, at the end of season 1 of Angel they discover the prophecy that Angel will be made human if he helps in the oncoming battles.
But he got all this in this episode so why were they gunning for it for the rest of the series?
July 21st, 2005 at 3:46 pm
hey Ant
That always got me thinking too.
He seems happy that the Shanshu Prophecy says that one day he will become human again, but he gives it up in the episode.
One reason though could be, that the Shanshu states that this will only happen after so many apocalyptic battles and that Angel will play a major part in The Apocalypse so maybe if becomes human after all the battles, Buffy won’t be in so much danger.
July 22nd, 2005 at 7:41 am
Yeh i spose. i just didn’t really like that idea. to want something all series that you got a few episodes before. besides if he worked out more he could be tough again - look at wesley
July 22nd, 2005 at 1:28 pm
As A Spike fan I would just like to say (because he would have) I does not say Angel will become human but a vampire with a soul.
July 22nd, 2005 at 8:03 pm
It was “the” vampire with a soul - it refers to Angel obviously!
July 22nd, 2005 at 8:22 pm
I don’t know, Spike is techncially ‘the’ vampire with a soul just as much as Angel is.
July 23rd, 2005 at 12:31 am
I always thought a great buffy comic book (or even *shudder* fanfiction) character would be a slayer who was sired (and had slayer + vampire strength) and then somehow wound up getting her soul back (from either a curse or that trial that spike had to go through). Did anyone ever write about that in comics or fanfic?
July 23rd, 2005 at 4:38 am
Well there is Blade. But they dont go into the soul side of things he is supposed to have not lost all of his humanity.
July 23rd, 2005 at 4:39 am
Thanks Abby M. that is exactally what I mean.
August 7th, 2005 at 10:40 am
Angel signed away the Shanshu Prophecy in the finale Not Fade Away.
It was one of the conditions when he was initiated into the Black Thorn.
August 19th, 2005 at 1:36 am
Yeah, the fith is the last season of Angel.
August 21st, 2005 at 11:38 pm
Unless of course you’re an author like me and the plot bunnies WON’T LEAVE YOU ALONE!
Then you start writing a set of scripts for a sixth season of Angel in your spare time. They’re going up on t’internet at some point, should anyone be interested.
Puja
August 22nd, 2005 at 12:55 am
To go back to the earlier argument; Angel was told that if he stayed human, then Buffy would die. Which is actually quite true, when you think about it.
If he’d stayed human, then he never would’ve gone to Wolfram and Hart, never would’ve got the amulet and Spike would never have destroyed the Hellmouth. Therefore she probably would’ve died in the final battle if Angel had stayed human.
Puja
August 29th, 2005 at 4:26 pm
Angel DOESN’T sign the Shanshu prophecy. If you look carefully, he only writes agel (without the “N”)!!!!!
Spike cannot be THE vampire with a soul because the shanshu prophecy came out when angel got a soul!!!
August 29th, 2005 at 9:29 pm
B&A4E: Just looked at that section again and there’s a bump of his hand to write an ‘n’. It’s not visible on the final signature, because it’s thick ink/blood, but he definitely writes an ‘n’.
The prophecies of Aberdjian actually were written long before either Angel or Spike got a soul. So you can’t count chronology for or against either one of them.
Puja
August 29th, 2005 at 10:22 pm
I agree Puja…aren’t prophecies meant to see the future…thats the whole point! Otherwise they would be called diaries. Hope that Joss can pick up this thread, as its something that we all want to know about!
August 29th, 2005 at 11:49 pm
Puja is very wise
September 1st, 2005 at 11:40 am
And spike isn’t the vampire with a soul because in i will remember u when he is talking to the oracles Angel says: It was the demons blood. It wasn’t the Powers-That-Be that did this?
and then they answer him by saying: The POwers-That-Be? Did u save humanity? Avert the Apocolypse?
So it means that Angel is the vampire with a soul that will become Human after averting the Apocolypse
September 1st, 2005 at 11:45 am
Do u think Buffy remembers what happened? Cause she does say “I’ll never forget”
Do u know that the title of this episode is the same as the song in the end of the episode Angel when Buffy kisses him??
September 1st, 2005 at 3:11 pm
The Powers that Be would KNOW that in the future Spike would get his soul back though — just like they knew that darkness was coming. Am not saying that the prophacy is talking about Spike am just saying that they would know that he would also get a soul and that the prophacy could mean he would be made human.
December 31st, 2005 at 11:50 pm
Hang on, rewind a sec, the Powers That Be know, like, everything that’s gonna happen but they have to wait until the right time to intervene. They knew that Spike would get his soul back but it was just timing that Angel & co read it when Angel was the only vampire with a soul there was. Maybe the prophecy (maybe, just saying) is actually about Spike and not Angel and they (the PTB) meant for Angel to read it early on so that it would be a sort of motivation, or something, for him. For him to keep fighting long enough to stop the Senior Partners and stuff. MAYBE.
January 1st, 2006 at 12:08 am
“However, I do like to think that all four of them survived.”
My opinion is the Gunn dies after/during, based on:
ILLYRIA: You’re fading. You’ll last 10 minutes at best.
And she seems to be pretty accurate:
ILLYRIA: Wesley. This wound is mortal.
And:
ILLYRIA: But I can’t help. You’ll be dead within moments.
Of course this isn’t canon; just speculation.
“We are not supposed to know whether or not they survived, as what really matters is just that they keep on fighting.”
Exactly. I loved the finale.
January 27th, 2006 at 2:50 pm
Yes, It was a very good final,
Joss knows when to end an serie.
I’m sure many people don’t agree with me, but I’m happy that he cancelled both shows (Buffy, angel) before they became boring and a repeat.
Charmed should have been cancelled long time ago, not that I don’t like the show, it’s just every episode is an Repeat!
May 18th, 2006 at 2:14 am
I picked up the new Angel comic. It was pretty good. In it Angel, Spike, Gunn and Ileria all made it out of the battle. Gunn has an eye patch which I assume he lost in the season finale. They also meet up with Lorne but he doesn’t come back to the team. In the new comics it is mostly Angle solo on his quest for redemption.
May 21st, 2006 at 11:23 pm
I’ve just been watching Season 1 again. I figure that Angel doesn’t accept humanity in this episode because he sees that the Apocalypse is coming, but the Shansu prophecy refers to being given humanity as a reward for his action during the Apocalypse - so he will have earned it, and presumably the world will be safer post-Apocalypse.