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In Selfless, Anya says to Buffy, “Are there any of your friends you haven’t tried to kill?” Buffy tried to kill Xander, Tara, Willow and Dawn in Normal Again; Spike on several occasions; Willow in Grave; Faith in Graduation Day (Part 1); Angel in Becoming… Need I go on? |
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| Added: | › 20th June 2005 |
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June 21st, 2005 at 11:46 am
I don’t think Buffy was trying to kill Willow in Grave. I think she was just trying to stop her.
Puja
July 20th, 2005 at 9:50 pm
I agree, and also she has no choice.
July 20th, 2005 at 11:07 pm
I too agree.
August 23rd, 2005 at 5:53 pm
But Anya may have assumed that Buffy was planning to kill her. Anya has a way of interpreting things more literally than others do.
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:34 pm
Has Buffy ever tried to kill Giles?
August 23rd, 2005 at 11:56 pm
Buffy almost killed Giles when he was turned into a demon by Ethan in season 4 - A New Man. At the last moment she realised it was him and everything was ok!
August 24th, 2005 at 7:46 am
It wasn’t really at the last moment as she had already stabbed him with the fake silver letter opener. She realised after this because of his eyes so it was just luck that the opener wasn’t real silver.
November 29th, 2005 at 11:00 pm
I was a bit confused as to why would Buffy go after Anya in Selfless. I mean… what is the point in killing her? She just had to destroy her amulet, like she did the last time, in The Wish. I don’t get why nobody even considers this possibility, not even Xander, who goes on about “helping” Anya and the mystical death clause. Buffy just goes in for the kill.
This goof aside (a major one if you ask me) I think the episode is one of the best of the season. There’s an important character developpement, we get an extra song, and flashbacks are always fun.
November 29th, 2005 at 11:10 pm
star*naming…the same thought passed through my mind, but I think the “pendant-smashing” trick that worked for Giles in “Wish” was not available to them. For one thing, she seemed to be pendant-less (un-pendanted?). Be that as it may, I agree, Buffy seemed awfully determined to kill Anya, and not much of the mind for non-violent solutions (or, to quote D’Hoffryn in what was one of my favorite lines of the entire series run, “And we all know what ‘Lady Hacks Away” wants to do….”). Besides, it turns out there is a way to save Anyanka without killing her….R.I.P. Halfrek.
November 29th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Poor Halfrek. She died for a good cause. But regarding the pendant, I’m pretty sure I saw it when she’s in her apartment talking to Hallie on the couch, so it’s very much smashable.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:59 am
I guess the writers just didn’t want to use the same trick twice…besides, it wouldn’t have been much of an apisode if Buffy just strode up to Anya, grabbed her pendant, smashed it and said “Ok, that’s done.” What would they have done with the next 20 minutes of the episode? Sat around and watched TV? Can you imagine anything more boring than watching people watch TV on TV?
November 30th, 2005 at 3:59 am
How do you kill a vengeance demon? Buffy stabs her and Anya says “Buffy, you know that won’t kill me” or something. Plus, in Older and Far Away when Halfrek gets stabbed she mentions something about it just being a flesh wound.
November 30th, 2005 at 1:25 pm
I loved that episode…
The things Anya say at the end of the episode are so beautiful, that she doesnt know who she is…
and poor Halfrek… and about the pendant I mentioned it before somewhere else and I think its strange…
November 30th, 2005 at 3:20 pm
of course if anya had a choice i’m pretty sure she would have chosen hallie’s life over the boys’. but that’s just the thing she didn’t have a choice. her only choice was to take it back. and she thought that her life would be the price to pay. she didn’t imagine that d’hoffryn would rather punish her and go for the hurt, instead of the kill.and if the boys were to remanin dead.. i think “lady hacks away” wouldn’t have appreciated it and would have taken care of the problem herself. either way, without hallie’s sacrifice, anya would have been toast.
and slightlyembarrased, we did get to watch the scoobies watch TV and i wouldn’t call it boring. i think that was down right entertaining :P remember in “reptile boy” the bollywood movie with the singing and the chiropractor and the water buffalo?.. c’mon that was hilarious “She’s sad because her lover gave her a dozen gold coins but then the wizard cut open the bag of salt and the dancing minions had no place to put their big Maypole……fish thing.” need i go on?! i could have watched another 20 min of that in selfless, right after she had destroyed anya’s pendant :P
November 30th, 2005 at 4:29 pm
Star*naming….gotcha…I was kinda kidding, and making a not-too-veiled reference to the fact that, maybe…just maybe…we, as a group, are watching juuussttt a little bit too much TV….[Though, I also recall an amusing scene in which Xander and Willow are trying to watch TV, but Spike — who has just learned he can kill demons — won’t let them as he exhorts them to get up off the couch and go kill some “evil…for puppies and Christmas….”]
November 30th, 2005 at 5:28 pm
Well of course I got your not too veiled reference. So right after I posted that comment I got off my ass away from the computer and went out to fight for justice and the safety of puppies (I’m not yet in the christmas spirit). Well…I might have just fed my dog, but that counts, right?..
November 30th, 2005 at 5:33 pm
ah dunno…is your dog a puppy?
November 30th, 2005 at 5:38 pm
well actually he’s 9 years old. but he’s still a puppy at heart..he hasn’t lost the puppy in him.. so it DOES count. don’t rain on my parade or i’ll just have to go out and buy a christmas present of some sort..
November 30th, 2005 at 6:03 pm
You’re a hero (heroine?) in my book, star*naming…
November 30th, 2005 at 6:11 pm
Of course it counts.
I want a dog.
November 30th, 2005 at 6:20 pm
slightlyembarrased: i’m no buffy, but i try.. (and yes, heroine would be correct)
mairceridwen: maybe if u write to santa..just make sure no one in your antourage is an angel wannabe and keep it away from nail guns. and crossbows for that matter :P
November 30th, 2005 at 7:39 pm
Crossbows and pets…R.I.P. Ms. Kitty Fantastico.
November 30th, 2005 at 10:22 pm
*….mutters under his breath…”Dawn..that murderous bitch…”…*
December 1st, 2005 at 1:20 am
OMG, Glory, Cheap? Whorish? And the hair, wow, the hair. She was a God. teehee
December 1st, 2005 at 1:41 am
Dang, I didn’t recognize that one, well Spike always did have bad taste in women. Except for Glory being evil and all.
December 1st, 2005 at 2:04 am
Ok, I’m floored. I’m missed the whole kitty fantastico dying via crossbow from Dawn…How could I have missed that? …And speaking of Christmas presents, my Mother already broke down and gave me the Buffy Collector set early for me Christmas present, so I can go find the episode where kitty early demise is mentioned! I’m nearing 40 and still have the coolest mom around!!!
December 1st, 2005 at 3:20 am
I, for one, thought Glory was the most amusing and diverting “big bad” buffy faced. She had some great lines, and I loved her manner of speaking. I particularly found amusing the scene in which she first encounters Buffy, beats the crap out of Buffy, then after Buffy finally hits her back, Glory is completely stunned and very ironically states, “What are you crazy?!?!? You can’t go around hitting people!!!” Of all the other big bads Buffy faced, none was as amusingly drawn as Glory. Or, to quote the god herself, “Fun, fun, fun…”
December 1st, 2005 at 3:30 am
The best part has to be after she says the line about hitting people and then adds “What were you, raised in a barn?”
About the crusty bit, I’ve accidentally said that to people. I’ll say “don’t touch me” and automatically add “you’re crusty.” Strangely, it seems to offend people.
December 1st, 2005 at 4:08 am
I also love he minions and how they call her shiney and smooth and all of the wonderful adjectives they give her.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:05 am
Yeah but, as far as Buffy and the Scoobies know, the alternate universe in The Wish didn’t even happen, so how would they have known about the amulet? Giles was the only one who knew that destroying the amulet would undo the wishes, and he wasn’t around. Even if he had been there I don’t think he would have known, at least not without researching.
I think it’s unfair to say Buffy went straight for the kill, like she did it just for the hell of it. She didn’t have a choice. Her main concern was that Anya, a demon, had murdered innocent people and it was up to her to stop something like that happening again.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:27 pm
Also, does the amulet have any real power in this case. When it was broken in ‘The Wish’ (which happened in only Anya’s view), she lost her powers, but we have saw in season six that she could just be remade a demon quickly and easily by D’Hofferin. Were her amulet destroyed again, she could, in theory, be remade again. Therefore, only killing her would stop her, or so it would seem (nobody could have expected her to choose to not be a demon like that, after all).
Also, it seems a bit interesting that in ‘The Prom’ she says that she took on the guise of a 12th grader, as if this is not her real appearance or age. I guess the contiuity wasn’t exactly down yet for her. Not that there’s anything wrong with it in this case.